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As I predicted, the entries in round 170 (Bad to the Bone) of [livejournal.com profile] otherworldlyric are amazing, assured, sophisticated, and subversive/beautiful/funny, etc. People managed to make something new and wonderful (several somethings new and wonderful actually) out of a dumb song (can we talk? Oh, wait, we already did....)

I had to vote for 3 entries and I ALWAYS want to vote for at least 4. Never fail. *Guilt sets in*  Maybe instead of voting I should just leave praise in the comments? What if they threw a challenge and nobody....eh, nevah mind.

Share my pain and go vote; the entrees deserve admiration and acclaim.

Speaking of [livejournal.com profile] otherworldlyric....there was an additional image of Buffy on the stairs in AfterLife that I tried to make into an icon for challenge #165 (World on Fire); and somehow forgot to mention when I posted the other images I made for that challenge:



1)


Somehow I couldn't get this to work to my satisfaction "sized down", at least not with Photobucket, but I like the image. "Like" isn't quite the right word, actually; "twists the knife in my heart" is more accurate. But then strangely enough I feel better for it: "Whatever I'm going through it's nowhere near the magnitude of the shit Buffy is dealing with."

[livejournal.com profile] kwritten kindly told me about ipiccy, the program she uses for icons and I haven't made near the strides with it that [livejournal.com profile] clockwork_hart1 has; proving once again it's not the tools, it's the user that's key.  But I decided to play around with this image with it a little more.  I think I understand a bit better the excitement of the young guys in my grad program in filmmaking twenty years ago when the department switched to video editing from film *sniffle* and bought a video "toaster". Suddenly it seemed like storytelling was abandoned in the search for cool effects. Some of us turned up our noses at this but now? I can relate.  Effects are fun. Sue me. Whether they are useful or "serve story" as Baz Luhrmann used to say is another matter.

It's not the tools, it's the one who wields them and how that matters.

With each of these I was emphasizing, or trying to, the "erasure" of Buffy Summers; the denial of her emotions and her full reality by her friends, by herself for their sake and perhaps her own, the only way she knows how to cope; by the writers and perhaps within the fandom itself.

She's not the Buffybot. She couldn't possibly be. But oh how they want her to be - how we want her to be, demand that she be - and oh how hard she tries. But I'm getting ahead of the story....
2) 3)

4) 5)
6) 7)



Because I haven't taken time to master ipiccy thoroughly yet, I transferred the images above from it to Photobucket to "finish them up" with the more mundane aspects of downsizing etc. Lesson learned: the two are not entirely compatible; PB was too slow, too crude to save most the of the images when I attempted to downsize them. Apparently the simpler the effects to start with, the better:
8) 9) 10)
As always - snag if you like but give proper credit. (Not that you'd do it any other way.)
#10 was actually the only successful example of making an image in ipiccy - #9 - and adding more layers of effects atop that in PB. When it comes to icons and imagery I always tend toward the extremes: beautiful images treated in the simplest manner possible, or layering as many effects as possible without "losing" the image.
BTW - I didn't "sign" any of these - should I do, Gentle Reader? **  I pestered my sweetie when she entered art school about proper signatures: "The history of art is filled with works by women whose signatures were replaced by those of men! Female artists have been erased from art history - so sign your work and stop being so modest for god's sake!"

But then I don't take my own advice because this doesn't seem "real" somehow. It's play, it's cheating, it's just a screencap, it's fanart and...I don't know what. Yet I wouldn't deny that "fanart" can be genuine art. I have marveled at the gorgeous, detailed Illyria banners (here and here) that [livejournal.com profile] comlodge has posted recently, for example. Clicking the images to enlarge is like being pulled into another universe entirely. There is no other word for them but "works of art".

Nor am I "against" computer art in any sense, except when it's misused for it's own sake. Any lingering prejudices I had regarding computer art melted away ten years ago when my sweetie went to a traditional art school that emphasized the "academic model" in the Renaissance tradition. After five years and hundred of landscapes, pastures, equine painting, and salon-style nudes (good, bad and indifferent) I developed a great appreciation for the work of Jackson Pollack.

And because Toy Story. Finding Nemo. Ratatouille made me cry. 'nuff said.

** ETA: "signature" has been added to the larger images because [livejournal.com profile] velvetwhip is absolutely right on the matter (Would I submit a story unsigned? Of course not.) This is a truism of this fandom: When in doubt, trust in her wit and her wisdom; she will not steer you wrong.

Date: 2014-04-28 08:52 pm (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
Yay for on-line editors and awesome effects! I use http://www.picmonkey.com/ (so great!) and http://pixlr.com/ ;)

Date: 2014-04-28 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I've never heard of picmonkey so thank you! [livejournal.com profile] comlodge rec'd pixlr-o-matic which I've played with a little bit
http://pixlr.com/o-matic/

And I forgot the link to ipiccy! *slaps forehead*
http://ipiccy.com I like the fact that it's a MUCH more sophisticated version of PB's old editing suite, now known as Fotoflexer
http://fotoflexer.com
So there's the familiarity of certain effects but fotoflexer feels very old-fashioned now. All the effects on ipiccy have slider bars and I LOVE SLIDER BARS.

But the thing about Photobucket is that it has both the library/photo album storage AND an editing suite. A simple one at this point, but having all the images in one place means I don't have to download from my computer, and I can move around as the inspiration strikes me. (And it's not taking up space in my computer except for the images I chose to put on my harddrive.)

I'm not aware of any other program like that.

Date: 2014-04-28 10:23 pm (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
Oh, yes, if you go to pixlr.com they make you choose the level of complexity of your editor. *nods* Whenever hunting for cool effects I tended to use the medium level one though: pixlr.com/express/ ;)

Indeed, Photobucket is cool like that... :D Though I only use it to upload/storage my work, I have an actual graphic software on my computer which I prefer to their editor. ;) Actually, until now I had a really, really paleolithic version of CorelDRAW, which would only run on my old Windows XP desktop computer but wasn't compatible with my new Windows 7 portable computer. I just bought today (!) a shiny new (non-professional) version. It did cost a pretty penny -for my budget at least- but I can't complain, the price of the professional one was just preposterous! O_o And besides I really had no need of it, I won't know what to do with half of all the new shiny features as it is... :D
Boy, I'm so excited! Can't wait to start using it! *_*

Date: 2014-04-28 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I played with picmonkey a little bit btw - some cool effects re: contrast and shadows.

the program comlodge rec'd has some "grunge" effects, like one called "Worn" that makes an image look like it's under a piece of badly-scratched glass.

It also looks like I'm going to have to take the plunge and get a flickr account as most of these are compatible with it (AND I DON'T WANT TO WAAAAHHHH....)

Boy, I'm so excited! Can't wait to start using it! *_*

Good luck with it! My sweetie had the very expensive full Photoshop on the Mac that burned up in August; their are compatibility issues with the new Mac operating system, the full pro version is ridiculously expensice and the current version of PS. She downloaded Apeture for Mac. I tried to play with and found super-unwieldy but I never learned PS; but she loved PS and thinks Apeture is unwieldy and confusing.

I'm not a computer pro so I need simplicity. Proof is in the pudding:

until now I had a really, really paleolithic version of CorelDRAW,

Heard of it, never used it. How does it work?

Date: 2014-04-29 05:33 am (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
I had a flickr account but I left it for Photobucket when I realized that with time all the pics I had uploaded as .png were saved as lower quality jpegs. Not cool!!

BTW, the Worn effect is lovely! Thanks for the tip. ;)

Oh, is you partner a graphic designer/professional?

LOL, it's okay if you're not familiar with CorelDRAW... :D It's a graphic software like Photoshop, only less famous - though it's pretty on par with it. I considered acquiring the more popular Photoshop but I didn't really want to bother since I'm already familiar with CorelDRAW (it was passed along by my uncle, who swears by it). Plus it seems you can't outright buy the Photoshop software anymore, only get a limited time (one month, one year) subscription - which works if you're a professional but wasn't really suited to my needs at all!

[Eheh, so sorry, I keep finding out grammar errors/horrors and I keep having to edit the comment... :D]
Edited Date: 2014-04-29 05:40 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-29 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
but I left it for Photobucket when I realized that with time all the pics I had uploaded as .png were saved as lower quality jpegs. Not cool!!

OUCH.

The other day I had the opposite problem - I was going to submit some icons to Slayerstillness that I really love for the current challenge, and only while I was trying to submit did I discover that some of them were pngs and apparently SS can only accept jpgs? And I had no idea they were the wrong format to begin with? URGH. Frustration.

BTW, the Worn effect is lovely!

Right? I played around with it and the 'stars' effect a little last night:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/RedSatinDoll/BUFFY/Season%206/AfterLife/ea04a808-2f63-4a38-bbc1-fe7b2a6062e1_zpsefedcc6d.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/RedSatinDoll/BUFFY/Season%206/AfterLife/de62636d-c42d-4e34-acae-1a4ef56fe83a_zpsbc70310f.jpg

And my sweetie is a painter/sculptor; she got her BFA in sculpture but it's too costly to do bronzes so she mostly paints since she graduated (oils, acrylics, encaustic; monotypes, etc). She taught herself to do all her own photography of her work since it was ridiculously expensive to hire someone to do it, but the school didn't offer much help.
http://judyholder.blogspot.com

Now Photoshop is, as you said, you can't buy the full suite outright, so she can't exactly replace what she had before the fire.

I keep finding out grammar errors/horrors and I keep having to edit the comment.

And I'll bet I would have rolled right past them and never noticed!

Date: 2014-04-29 06:48 pm (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
LOL, English is not my native tongue so I guess I'm just extra sensitive about my grammar (or just my making sense at all... :D)
Oh, I really liked your 'experiments', especially the first one! ♥
Also, OMG, such beautiful work! Thanks so much for the blog link! ^^ Everything is so vivid and colorful! *g*

Edited Date: 2014-04-29 06:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-29 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
English is not my native tongue

Really? I had assumed it was because I didn't know any differently, and your grammar is excellent. You're far too modest about your mastery of the English language! (So what is your mother tongue?)

Glad you enjoyed my experiments! That is definitely an image that doesn't size down well although I did an icon but I think from the second one I linked to:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/RedSatinDoll/BUFFY/Buffy%20ICONS/19bb0382-fef6-4b75-89d4-7ec36e83bd37_zpsd90c4f23.jpg />

BTW, when you looked at my experiments can you go back and forth within the album to see other things or no? Just curious, as I'm new to sending folks direct links to my PB albums.

Everything is so vivid and colorful! *g*

Thanks! You went to the older posts right (and not the Armory show post?)

She really likes "muddy" effects or more monochromatic palettes in her paintings sometimes but the ones that tend to get put up on the blog are the brightest because they look best on blogger. (And because I like them and praise them a lot and encourage her to use clean colors.)

She doesn't think she can paint, btw.





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Date: 2014-04-29 07:45 pm (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
Oh, thank you! *blushes* I'm Italian actually. ^^

Oh yes, I browsed through the blog older posts a bit. I'm quite partial to the landscapes. :) She's crazy talented!!

I can access your PB library without difficulty. Actually, if in doubt you just need to shorten the original link this way: http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q51/RedSatinDoll/
BTW, if you want to keep your library private there are settings for that. I keep it private myself so that people can access only the specific pic they have the link to, 'cause I store there half-finished protects plus there's some old personal photos (which I'll have to delete someday, I just can't be bothered to remember to do it...)

Anyway if you're growing tired of sizing down things to make icons, maybe it's time to make a leap and go big.. ;) I know I was obsessed with making icons at the start and now my output consist almost entirely of banners and covers and wallpapers and other kind of graphics in between... :D
Edited Date: 2014-04-29 07:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-30 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Which part of Italy?

She's crazy talented!!

Thank you! She's worked very very hard; she's superb with animals esp dogs and horses and people in school encouraged her to focus on equine art but she refused. She loves art but even she tends to see what she does as a "waste" and impractical unless she's making money at it. (Stupid puritanism.)

Thanks for the tip on the PB link btw!

if you want to keep your library private there are settings for that.

Several years ago I used to keep my albums crazy-tight locked up with passwords and the whole nine yards and then never gave anyone the passwords. I don't know why I've gotten more careless about it.

if you're growing tired of sizing down things to make icons, maybe it's time to make a leap and go big.

I've been kind of leaning that direction already; it occured to me, ok, I'm trying to pack WAY too much text into these little things. And it occured to me there is a banner I've had in mind for a while and maybe I'm gathering the tools that would allow me to do it.

Collage is the next step for me. Kwritten and Clockwork_hart do beautiful things with collage in icons, but I think I'd just go insane or blind if I tried that.

Are you graphics on your LJ or somewhere else btw?

Date: 2014-04-30 05:12 am (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
Central Italy, near the Apennine Mountains, you can see them from my house (so beautiful). ;)
Oh, I'm curious to see that banner sooner or later then! ^^
Sure, my graphics are on my LJ. On DW too (I crosspost), plus some of it is also on AO3 (but it's more of the same stuff :D).
Edited Date: 2014-04-30 05:13 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-30 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Oh, pretty podfic covers!

Date: 2014-04-30 09:15 pm (UTC)
endeni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endeni
Thank you! *blushes*

Date: 2014-04-28 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
Your work is as much art as if you painted it. Own it with pride! You deserve that!


Gabrielle

Date: 2014-04-28 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
ETA: I took your advice hon and added signatures to the images, thank you!

You are a very wise woman - and absolutely right about that. At least that's what I told MY sweetie at the time. (She finally wised up after sufficient nag...I mean, encouragement.)

I need to bother to be more aware, esp after all that's happened with the folks who were stealing other people's artwork and claiming it as their own. Which is ironic, no? After centuries of fighting for the right to be represented in galleries, to have our work seen and our voices heard?
Edited Date: 2014-04-29 02:31 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-28 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punch-kicker15.livejournal.com
I often don't have the artistic vocabulary to say more than "icon pretty". For some reason I like #7 the best, but can't articulate why--maybe it's the simplicity of it. I just wanted to say that even though I don't always comment, I really enjoy your discussions of the icons you make.

Also, thanks for pointing to the Otherwordlylyric round. The "make a good woman" icon with Spike and the box to make the Buffybot made me laugh out loud.

Date: 2014-04-28 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Thanks hon! "Icon pretty" is always nice to hear. (BTW - the bright blue in the background of your icon is really striking behind Buffy. icon pretty!) And I'm glad you're enjoying the discussions; I never know where they are going to take me. 'tis fun!

For some reason I like #7 the best

I've really enjoyed playing with "vintage photo effects" from back when I did moulin Rouge icons on the old photobucket platform, even though "old photo effects" rarely look like old photos which I happen to collect: http://s133.photobucket.com/user/RedSatinDoll/media/Antique%20Photos/img033cropped_2400dpi.jpg.html?sort=6&o=2)

The effect in #7 reminds me very much of an image on a piece of newspaper that's been lying around for 60 years.

The "make a good woman" icon with Spike and the box to make the Buffybot made me laugh out loud.

Is that what that icon was? I couldn't tell that was from IWMTLY. I read the text and thought, "I must be missing something". *Cringes*
Edited Date: 2014-04-28 11:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-29 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punch-kicker15.livejournal.com
Is that what that icon was? I couldn't tell that was from IWMTLY. I read the text and thought, "I must be missing something". *Cringes*,/>

Yep, that's Buffy's blue sweater in the box. It might have been more clear with a full view of Warren (you can see the back of his head, but it could be any dark-haired guy, really).

I'm never going to hear "Bad to the Bone" again without snickering a little. The icon makers clearly had some fun deconstructing those lyrics.

Date: 2014-04-29 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I'm never going to hear "Bad to the Bone" again without snickering a little. The icon makers clearly had some fun deconstructing those lyrics.

TELL ME ABOUT IT - Meta-icons FTW!

Those entries actually inspired me a bit with the icons I'm working on for the current/upcoming round (if I can ever manage something I'm actually pleased with that is. Which isn't looking likely at the moment *pout*)

Date: 2014-04-28 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
Beautiful fanarts. They are really gorgeous as banners. I especially prefer 1, 2 and 3 and I LOVE THAT MOMENT. Afterlife Buffy is just a favorite of mine and Sarah is absolutely stunning in that episode and I'm talking about her whole performance but also the esthetics of newly resurrected Buffy: the melancholy, the almost angelic features (Especially in the final scene with Spike, she's dressed with a very soft shade of pink) in contrast with the vulnerability and the emptiness of her gaze. Beauty in the darkest places. Your images does justice to her.

(I also voted the icons. I'm glad that, somehow, people found a way to make beautiful icons. There's especially the Walter - from Fringe - one that broke my heart. Oh Walter!)

Date: 2014-04-30 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I put links to more variations (to endeni upthread) http://red-satin-doll.livejournal.com/38039.html?thread=1095831#t1095831

I wonder if you'll like them or if they are too "complicated", not simple enough? I love the look of faded Italian Renaissance portrait drawings - Sarah has that look about her esp in that season. She's dropped the complicated makeups etc of the early seasons and is so elegant in the late seasons, so simple.

#1 was the first one I did some time back in photobucket, and I've been wanting to show it off. The variations were super-fun.

I'm talking about her whole performance but also the esthetics of newly resurrected Buffy: the melancholy, the almost angelic features (Especially in the final scene with Spike, she's dressed with a very soft shade of pink) in contrast with the vulnerability and the emptiness of her gaze. Beauty in the darkest places.

I am SO happy you feel I've done her justice - that is the best compliment I could hope for! And YES to everything you said in this paragraph. by the end of the episode she's dressing like they dressed the Buffybot - wearing a costume for everyone else's benefit. But before that, she's just Buffy - spare and stripped down to the core. I just feel for her so much.

There's especially the Walter - from Fringe - one that broke my heart. Oh Walter!

Is that the character you told me about on your LJ? Which icon has Walter in it, is that one of the winners, the one with the very striking male face?

Date: 2014-04-30 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
I love the variations! Especially the first one, the one that seems like an old photograph. Beautiful. I hope you'll make some more like that.

Sarah truly has an exquisite softness in S6 especially in the first half. Her hair looks more "natural" than S4 or S5 (The blonde is definetely a more natural shade and while I ADORE the golden fierce blond of season S5 and the gorgeous styling I couldn't love more the softer shade) Plus, as you say, the make-up is lighter and it's definetely better.

http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/2mjl0s-l-610x610-tank-top-buffy-floral-corset-top-tank-vampire-slayer-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-sarah-michelle-gellar-bralet-bustier.jpg

So freaking pretty.

Is that the character you told me about on your LJ? Which icon has Walter in it, is that one of the winners, the one with the very striking male face?


It's not one of the winners. It's icon number 9. The text is especially meaningful associated with Walter because he did some horrible things for his desire of power and knowledge (He was kinda the onnipotent scientist figure) but the wrongest thing he did was to defy the laws of universe to save his son. Which is a very titanic concept. The Walter & Peter father/son relationship is one of the best things ever and John Noble was simply perfect.

Date: 2014-04-28 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snogged.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing all your artwork and your attempts with the ipiccy program. Very cool work, my dear!

Date: 2014-04-28 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Thanks muchly, hon! I hope to continue improving.

BTW - clockwork_hart sent me a link to a Rory fanvid that included the image in your default Icon and I was so excited, it was silly because all I could think of was your icon and "Now I have a context for it!"

I think I may already be in love with Rory and Amy and I don't fall for male characters easily.

Date: 2014-04-29 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snogged.livejournal.com
Aww! Yay!

Amy and Rory are the best couple in the Who'verse.

How far along are you in the series?

Date: 2014-04-29 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
How far along are you in the series?

The who'verse? Up to Seven and Ace. One ep of Nine (with Rose) and Ten (the Shakespeare ep with Martha Jones) and that's it.

Date: 2014-04-29 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snogged.livejournal.com
Ah, you're watching Classic Who. I haven't really seen any of that, except for one Tom Baker episode.

I started with The 9th Doctor and I'm all caught up on new Who.

Date: 2014-04-29 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Oh then you're in for a bit of shock, yes? (I mean, MY GOD the special effects....)

Actually the old black and white eps sometimes look better than the slightly later color ones - more like an "old movie" and you're less aware that the Dalek's are made of cardboard, etc. Monochrome hides a multitude of sins!

Tom Baker was my friend's favorite - the most witty, meta and playfully intellectual years and Baker was considered the thinking woman's sex symbol when the show came to America during his years. that's when the producers really courted their adult audience, but she also loved Peter Baker and John Pertwee. I've only seen a couple of clips with Patrick Troughton but what I saw of him was utterly charming. Fans of #11 would no doubt enjoy him. Much of his work as the Dr has been lost, unfortunately.

Monday, April 28

Date: 2014-04-29 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livejournal.livejournal.com
User [livejournal.com profile] rahirah referenced to your post from Monday, April 28 (http://su-herald.livejournal.com/719879.html) saying: [...] [Images, Audio & Videos] Buffy Icons [...]

Date: 2014-04-29 06:54 am (UTC)
debris4spike: (Buffy - with sword)
From: [personal profile] debris4spike
I love how you really experimented with the image ... and looked at all those pictures seperately ... I am really bad at just going with one idea, and sticking with it ... whether it works or not.

I must be more bold!!

Date: 2014-04-29 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
There is an icon for Moulin Rouge that I made perhaps 50 color variations of 10 years ago - different frames etc. I did that a lot then more so than I do now even; but then I wasn't showing them to anyone else at the time (it never occured to me) so I was amusing myself...and procrastinating.

I must be more bold!!

Oh wow! I don't think of myself as "bold" at all, just indecisive! Except that [livejournal.com profile] comlodge told me once that she sometimes has put out different versions of things and lets people sort out what they like for themselves, so that did embolden me a little.

But, still, what a compliment, thank you! I guess it's all about perception (self perception and otherwise).

Date: 2014-04-29 06:51 pm (UTC)
debris4spike: (Colourblind)
From: [personal profile] debris4spike
Until I started doing icons I have always been scared of art ... being colourblind was something my art teacher at school would not accept!

I still get scared, yet I should remember that sometimes ones that I think are really "wrong" get great comments.

Today I was working on a couple of icons for [livejournal.com profile] trekicontest and was a good girl and did a few different colour ranges on the same image ... Thanks.

Date: 2014-04-29 12:45 pm (UTC)
ext_106804: (Default)
From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
The icons this last challenge were very good. After I voted for my 3 I saw a fourth icon that I somehow hadn't noticed before, that was just wonderful. (Fortunately, others notice it and it won.) I don't know how this works but [Bad username or unknown identity: ”] is the only icon challenge community that I usually, always agree with the icons that win.

I always enjoy your posts about icons. I should do one about some of the icons I've made and have entered into challenges. Kind of like an icon challenge meme... which icon won a challenge that surprised me..... which icon didn't win that I was surprised didn't win, etc.

Edited Date: 2014-04-29 12:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-04-29 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
After I voted for my 3 I saw a fourth icon that I somehow hadn't noticed before, that was just wonderful. (Fortunately, others notice it and it won.)

That happens to me ALL THE TIME with OWL. Every time.

With Slayerstillness I can at least spread the love around a bit (best crop, color etc).

is the only icon challenge community that I usually, always agree with the icons that win.

*stage whisper* Me too.

I should do one about some of the icons I've made and have entered into challenges. Kind of like an icon challenge meme... which icon won a challenge that surprised me..... which icon didn't win that I was surprised didn't win, etc.

DO IT! This is a beautiful idea that deserves to be shared. And I love seeing what other people's "alternates" are and the thought or work process. (like with your Buffy/Tarot set.)

Date: 2014-04-29 06:06 pm (UTC)
ext_106804: (Default)
From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
DO IT! This is a beautiful idea that deserves to be shared. And I love seeing what other people's "alternates" are and the thought or work process. (like with your Buffy/Tarot set.) I usually don't keep alternates because my alternates are generally not too different for the icon I entered (maybe just a slight color change)

What Buffy/Tarot set? I have a Buffy/Tarot set?

Date: 2014-04-29 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
What Buffy/Tarot set? I have a Buffy/Tarot set?

OOPS - sorry, that was [livejournal.com profile] spikesredqueen's icons I was thinking of (tis what happens when I stay up too late.) *smacks forehead*
http://spikesredqueen.livejournal.com/167380.html

Date: 2014-04-29 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
But the Buffy tarot set kinda exists. Look here: http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer's_Tarot They basically stopped at some point, but the art of the single tarots is amazing and plus some seem really spot on. (I learned to read the tarots at some point, but I forgot >O<)

Date: 2014-05-13 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
They basically stopped at some point, but the art of the single tarots is amazing and plus some seem really spot on. (I learned to read the tarots at some point, but I forgot >O<)

Looking at the images I now know where Gabrielleabelle got the the art for one of her Spuffy "novels" - and I understand a little better eilowyn's complaints as a shipper!

Some of the art is good. I misidentified a couple that were supposed to be Buffy as Tara; and there's definitely a Bangel/Angel prejudice from what I can see.

Date: 2014-05-13 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
As far as I know the producers said that they didn't think about the meaning of the single tarots, they just made some associations they thought were fine (Some of them really are, for example the tarrot "The Tower" which always means loss and something bad happening) and Bangel were "the Lovers" Spuffy were "the Demon".

Yeah, it kinda biased. Some shippers think that Dark Horse artists are Bangel. I hope that that's not totally true.

Date: 2014-05-13 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Their death card seems to be rather literal, when in the classic tarot death is not literal death, it's transformation - that can but does not necessarily include a death. So basically they literalized the cards, which is ok if you just want to look at pretty cards.

I wonder why they never completed the set? (IDK, maybe the spacefrak had something to do with it? )

Some shippers think that Dark Horse artists are Bangel. I hope that that's not totally true.

When I saw S8 I felt bad for Angel/Bangel fans because if I were an Angel fan I'd be FURIOUS about the spacefrak. (I already was as a Buffy fan) but I guess - not so much? How anyone can see that debacle as "confirmation of their ship", I have no idea.

(I knew I shouldn't get rid of the "Me dating Warren in the comics?" icon just yet. Never know when you're gonna have to pull it out!)

Date: 2014-05-13 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
Their death card seems to be rather literal, when in the classic tarot death is not literal death, it's transformation - that can but does not necessarily include a death. So basically they literalized the cards, which is ok if you just want to look at pretty cards.

Basically, yes. I heard rumor that they didn't finish because apparently tarots are a religious matter or something? I don't know if I'm right. I remember this pseudo-explanation and nothing else.

When I saw S8 I felt bad for Angel/Bangel fans because if I were an Angel fan I'd be FURIOUS about the spacefrak. (I already was as a Buffy fan) but I guess - not so much? How anyone can see that debacle as "confirmation of their ship", I have no idea.


Agreed. As far as I know, some Bangels thought that the sex was the confirmation of Buffy/Angel's forever love. So ... I guess they are happy with the whole spacefrak? I don't know. I just knew some fanatical Bangels and I don't even want to try to understand how their brain works. No, thanks. Personally I was skeptic from the first panel of Angel/Buffy reunion, but I know that they were celebrating. In the end, some of us got what they deserve.

(I knew I shouldn't get rid of the "Me dating Warren in the comics?" icon just yet. Never know when you're gonna have to pull it out!)


It's a meaningful and useful icon.



Date: 2014-05-17 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I heard rumor that they didn't finish because apparently tarots are a religious matter or something? I don't know if I'm right. I remember this pseudo-explanation and nothing else.

pseudo-explanation is an excellent term for this.

It's a meaningful and useful icon.

Unfortunately so.

Date: 2014-04-29 10:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
Very nice! She does lovely work.

Date: 2014-04-29 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Yes she does!

She and [livejournal.com profile] chic_c have both recently done Drusilla sets. She's a character I've never been able to make a satisfactory icon of, and yet she doesn't get enough fandom love IMO. For a "minor" character she has a huge impact.

Date: 2014-04-29 11:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
She and chic_c have both recently done Drusilla sets I've seen chic_c's work before (usually when she beats my butt in a challenge ~_^) she's very talented too!

Date: 2014-04-30 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
she's very talented too!

Did you see her Normal Again icon for OWL two challenges ago? She told me my NA icons and post inspired it but she just blows my work out of the water, seriously. (I envy that ability to get a superbly tight, crisp HQ image and retain that quality scaled down - and her crop? To die for.)

Date: 2014-04-30 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chic-c.livejournal.com
Wow awesome banners! Of all the different versions #4 is my fave, very dramatic, stark effect, though re-sized to 100 pixels I think #9 works better.

Large canvases are ideal for text, usually I start with 300 and shrink at the end (less stress on the eyes), but the results are uneven and at times require extra tweaking.
I'd love to do what Comlodge has achieved with her amazing banners and wallpapers, but I find composition quite difficult (and I'm too lazy to leave my comfort zone ;-))

I'm glad you're having fun with the new online editor!

ETA: The "signature on artwork" issue has been going on for a long time, and it's perfectly fine with banners and such, Eyesthatslay used to tag her icons a while back and it was so subtle it didn't spoil the result at all (if I remember she explained it very well). I don't think it would be accepted in icontests though it's not a problem with fic, weird isn't it?

*lots of hugs*

Date: 2014-04-30 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Aw, thanks sweetie! (And your icon? Gorgeous. Buffy in BY OH YES. That entire episode...)

Of all the different versions #4 is my fave, very dramatic, stark effect, though re-sized to 100 pixels I think #9 works better.

Definitely. (10 is just 9, rainbow effects from ipiccy, with the "san carmen" effect from PB added. I didn't think to do that in the large size.) 3 & 5 I was mainly just playing with effects like a kid in a candy shop on a sugar high.

Large canvases are ideal for text, usually I start with 300 and shrink at the end (less stress on the eyes), but the results are uneven and at times require extra tweaking.

That's generally what I do - somewhere between 300-500pixels. This morning I added text to an icon I'd already made, but I rarely do that. Too hard on the eyes as you say.

And comlodge's work is stunning - she's always been good with composition, but now she's really mastering her tools and creating dense, stunning worlds and visual stories. WOW.

I'm glad you're having fun with the new online editor!>

Well thanks to endeni I've added picmonkey and pixlr.com; and comlodge rec'd pixlr-o-matic so I'm juggling all of them with PB. If I don't come out in 3 days, leave without me *lol*

I don't know Eyesthatslay - should I make her acquaintance? I can't imagine doing signatures on icons that are actually visible. (But you have yours on the BY icon and it's not obtrusive at all. Very pretty text, too. *ponders*) It has occured to me that I put a lot of time into these icons and other people more so, and I'm not against it. I have several icons in my user pics listed "artist unknown" and I would love to credit them properly.

I don't think it would be accepted in icontests though it's not a problem with fic, weird isn't it?

Can you imagine voting on fanfic awards in which the name of the author was unlisted?

I've been pondering this a LOT lately. I used to worry that my icons would be recognized; then I saw Kwritten mention having the same worry and I realized that I don't give a damn. I honesty don't. When I judge fics, you could be my best friend in the world but that doesn't affect my thinking. I loook at the work. The same goes for icons and I assume that my friends are classy and mature and will vote for what's best, regardless of who made it.

I don't see why this should have to be a problem with one medium and not the other.

Date: 2014-05-01 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chic-c.livejournal.com
I was mainly just playing with effects like a kid in a candy shop on a sugar high.

I know the feeling! I have the same reaction whenever I find new resources, I get carried away and time flies. :D

The BY icon was a present from [livejournal.com profile] larabeckinsale and she kindly personalized it for me, a real pity she's moved on and is no longer active in fandom, a great artist and friend.

[livejournal.com profile] eyesthatslay is another fabulous iconmaker and if you check her posts from 2006 will see how she inserted "icons by eyesthatslay" in her work imperceptibly.

The difference between signature and personalization is another issue. I'm using a few icons with my username which were made by other artists and personalized on request (a feature common in comms such as [livejournal.com profile] nekid_spike). I always credit them and would never want people to think I made those. See, it's complicated for icons, a lot more than for larger artwork.

ETA: a lot of 20in20s and other more recent comms let their entries public so that everybody knows the maker, but the voting posts are usually anonymous. Again, weird.

*huggles*

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