red_satin_doll: (Chosen One - purple)
[personal profile] red_satin_doll
My sweetie is not too fond of the idea of me creating and storing Pages docs (the Mac version of Word) on her laptop, now our only computer; she's worried about it filling up etc. (I love that woman, oh how I do, but....ever seen the scene in the movie The Kids Are Alright re: "micromanaging"? That's pretty much us.)

So I'd like to have a place where I can create, edit and store documents online and store them there, now that I've just filled up another notebook with fic drafts and meta notes; something along the lines of Photobucket, but for documents rather than photos.


FYI: the simpler the better. I've heard of iCloud and still have no idea what it is (despite <lj user=comlodge>'s careful explanation of it); I'm pretty computer savvy in some ways but most of y'all are way ahead of me in a lot of other areas. Thanks muchly!

Date: 2013-10-06 07:00 pm (UTC)
ext_15194: floral background with hobbit's journal written diagonally across the front (Default)
From: [identity profile] hobbituk.livejournal.com
I remain suspicious about having everything online only...

Why don't you just get an external drive and save everything there? It won't impact on the laptop as you just unplug it! And the bonus is that if you get another computer there will be no having to move stuff around.

Date: 2013-10-06 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I have thought about that - my budget is meager right now but my sweetie bought new La Cie portable one and I think they can be had for under $50? (So either - save my pennies or - Christmas is right around the corner *shifty eyes*)

Date: 2013-10-06 07:47 pm (UTC)
rahirah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rahirah
Yeah, you can get a thumb drive with several gigs of space for tiny amounts of money these days. That's more than enough for novels worth of text documents.

Date: 2013-10-07 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I definitely agree with [livejournal.com profile] readerjane's comment downthread. I think thumb drives are handy for getting files from one 'puter to another temporarily (or where ever I want them to end up) but not for storage per se. I had one that I'd barely used and it died on me the way floppies used to (this was way before the apt fire btw); it just stopped working. I suspect they're rather delicate. but if you've had good luck with them, and know a good brand to get, by all means point the way!

ETA: it's also possible that I'm slightly paranoid.

Edited Date: 2013-10-07 06:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:54 pm (UTC)
rahirah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rahirah
Well, they're not my preferred method of storage. Their main advantage is that they're super cheap!

Date: 2013-10-07 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
True, I actually got mine as freebies from a friend so I can't exactly complain!

I'm assuming that you don't leave docs on them long before you get things posted? (Because I have this vision of you as this super-duper prolific, accomplished and organized Writer. 'cause a fangirl needs heros. Don't smash my vision and break my little heart btw - just roll with it.)

Date: 2013-10-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
rahirah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rahirah
I've mainly used them to transfer database files from one computer to another when my work email was being wonky about sending large attachments, or for moving the contents of whole directories of fic to a new computer. I haven't had any problems with data loss, but as you say, I rarely need to leave things on them long. However, I've left copies of those directory transfers languishing in a drawer for a year or more, and they were readable when I needed to use the drive again. On the third hand, I do just leave it sitting in a drawer, so it doesn't have much chance to get knocked around and broken.

Date: 2013-10-07 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
On the third hand, I do just leave it sitting in a drawer, so it doesn't have much chance to get knocked around and broken.

Huh. We had ours hanging off mirrors and a lamp switch, so PROBABLY not the best way to care of them in hindsight.;)

I'll give them another go sometimes.

Date: 2013-10-06 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
I'm not an expert and recently I lose all my stuff but I agree with the answer above - at least that is what I would do. You could also use DVD or CD and save the things on them.

Date: 2013-10-07 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I used to use CD-Rs or RW's all the time for storing photos, videos, etc. I really haven't used them all that much for documents, if at all. I think part of it is the expense, the size, the room they ended up taking on our shelves, the fragile cases, etc.

Date: 2013-10-06 07:14 pm (UTC)
ruuger: My hand with the nails painted red and black resting on the keyboard of my laptop (Geek)
From: [personal profile] ruuger
I use GoogleDocs (or GoogleDrive as it's now called) for my fic writing, and I haven't had any problems with it. It's basically all the office tools, only online - very easy to use. You can either create (and edit) files directly there, or upload them from your hard drive. Plus if you have a Gmail account, you already have account there as well.

Date: 2013-10-06 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
Same here. (Either that, or I just use gmail to mail stuff to myself.)

Date: 2013-10-07 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infinitewhale.livejournal.com

(Either that, or I just use gmail to mail stuff to myself.)

This is what I do.

Date: 2013-10-07 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I just remembered that's what my former writing partner and I used to do, emailing each other back and forth across the country with our drafts. (When we weren't just goofing off writing emails to make each other laugh 99% of the time.)

Date: 2013-10-06 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I do have a gmail account but have been veeeerrrrrrryyyyy slow to explore GoogleDocs. Will do now, thank you! (And eventually I'll probably take up [livejournal.com profile] hobbituk's advice to get my own external drive. The more places you have things backed up the better IMO.

Date: 2013-10-06 09:54 pm (UTC)
lynnenne: (writing: harder than reading)
From: [personal profile] lynnenne
Same.

Date: 2013-10-07 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I do have a gmail account, I'll give that a go, thanks! I've pretty much ignored the new options that Google/gmail offers, time to get my head out of the sand.

Date: 2013-10-06 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com
Ok, I am technologically delayed, so when I tell you that iCloud is completely manageable, I mean it. I'm probably repeating what comlodge explained, BUT: when you are getting ready to save a document, click on file, hit the option key (and keep pressing option -- don't stop), and it will say "save as." Click on "save as" while continuing to hold the option key. The screen that comes up asks where you want the document saved. Click iCloud. That's it.

Date: 2013-10-07 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I've tried your instructions a few times (thanks muchly!) I'm not finding an option for iCloud (perhaps its because this computer was purchased in '09 or so and has an older operating system?) There's iWeb but that's set up for blog posts and such. (Admittedly a good option.)

Maybe I need to google this or call the apple store?

Date: 2013-10-07 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baudown.livejournal.com
If this is an '09 Mac, this may have something to do with your operating system. You may need to update it. I'd try apple support, because icloud is worth it.

Date: 2013-10-07 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Duly noted! I'll give it a try, thank you. (I have to be careful with what I download or change on the laptop because it's not mine, it's my sweetie's, which I use by-her-leave.)

Date: 2013-10-06 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
I use Google Drive and it's nifty!


Gabrielle

Date: 2013-10-07 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I just tried to download a pages doc (I'd saved as first to the harddrive just in case) and when I try to upload into a folder in Google docs I get a lost connection to server message. given that I'm still online I have no idea how that's even possible. (*pouts*)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
You need to c/p it into a Google doc. I had the same trouble with Word docs until I figured that out.


Gabrielle

Date: 2013-10-07 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
c/p? (Assume I'm the village idiot, sweetie. 'cause I am.)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velvetwhip.livejournal.com
Sorry! Copy and paste.

And you are not the least bit an idiot.


Gabrielle
Edited Date: 2013-10-07 06:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
*resolve face*

ETA: I GOT IT! THANK YOU! *bounces up and down* I feel like a kid at Christmas. It really is nifty - formatting and the whole ball o' wax!

And I wasn't fishing for a compliment, honest. But I won't refuse it, either. that would just be rude. :)
Edited Date: 2013-10-07 06:26 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-06 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eilowyn.livejournal.com
Google Drive sounds like what you need. Now I'm going to go save my own stuff. Thanks for reminding me!

Date: 2013-10-07 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I just gave it a go and saved my first doc on it - now I'll play with Dropbox. Never hurts to have it in a lot of places...

Date: 2013-10-06 08:59 pm (UTC)
ext_106804: (Default)
From: [identity profile] teragramm.livejournal.com
I use Drop Box and I love it. It's very, very user friendly
Edited Date: 2013-10-06 09:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I'll give that a try as well, can't hurt to have it in more than one place, thanks! I hadn't heard of it before.

Date: 2013-10-06 09:05 pm (UTC)
readerjane: Book Cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] readerjane
If you don't need the documents to stay in Pages format, I'd recommend Google Drive. It's free with a free GMail account, and as long as you're doing only text (not music or videos), you won't run out of space.

If you want to preserve the formatting for the app you're used to composing in, I'd say Dropbox. That's also free.

With either Google Drive or Dropbox, you can retrieve your documents from any computer, work on them, and save them back to your online storage space. No carrying around disks or flash drives!

ETA: Reading through the other comments prompts me to add: tangible storage like external drives, thumb drives or CDs are okay, but I'd caution against only using physical storage. Too easy to lose them or have them destroyed.

If you like multiple backups (and are organized enough to keep track of which version of each document is backed up where), why not do all three: an inexpensive thumb drive you can keep on your keychain, plus Dropbox, plus Google Drive?

That way, even if the disaster genii strikes two of your storage spaces in the same week, you'd still have a third.
Edited Date: 2013-10-06 09:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-10-07 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
tangible storage like external drives, thumb drives or CDs are okay, but I'd caution against only using physical storage.

Oh absolutely. thumb drives remind me of floppies in how delicate they are - I've had one I barely used just stop functioning one day. I use them to temporarily transfer information but not for storage.

and are organized enough to keep track of which version of each document is backed up where

Hah I wish I were. but I do like having things in multiple places; keeping track of which is where is probably wishful thinking for me with my brain the way it is. The fire taught and re-taught me a few hard lessons. It's like exercise, you have to keep from getting lazy and letting it slide.

Date: 2013-10-06 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snogged.livejournal.com
Google Drive aka Google Docs works pretty well.

Date: 2013-10-07 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Yup, I just followed the instructions upthread thanks to ruuger and gabrielle and saved my first doc to a folder there. Next time I'll actually create the document there first. Knowledge is of the good!

Date: 2013-10-06 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I just e-mail them to myself as I change them, but if I ever do have to recover them, it'll be messy. I'll have to keep track of which files I have the most recent version of and possibly be unsue I have everything. Better than losing them all though.

Date: 2013-10-07 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
I'll have to keep track of which files I have the most recent version of and possibly be unsure I have everything.

Back when I was collaborating on a WIP in the Moulin Rouge category with a friend on ff.net we used to email back and forth and man, was it a mess - but neither one of us was very organized. Two writers with ADD = a thousand docs between us and not a lot getting done.

Date: 2013-10-07 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I also tend to be not that organized which can be awfully frustrating as I try to write my first novel!

Date: 2013-10-07 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
You're working on a novel? Good for you! (I've learned that I'm not good at multi-chapter formats. Why am I then writing a buffyverse fic that is just that is...masochism, I think.)

May I ask what the subject/story/genre is?

Date: 2013-10-08 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
Oh, it's totally based off of Buffy fanfic. Instead of Slayers I have Seraphs (at least that's the current name) who are people descended from angels. Obviously there's no "one Chosen girl in all the world" since this is a genetic thing. It's based off my Lotus in Muddy Water BtVS AU series although I'll hopefully 1) finish it and 2) do a better job of writing it. I'm hoping to crank out the first draft for NaNoWriMo.

Date: 2013-10-08 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
That's a really intriguing idea - but isn't ALL art based on other artworks? Nobody creates in a vacuum - and before "copyright laws" existed, I think it was more commonly acknowledged between artists. (William Blake called his friend Henry Fuseli, "damned good to steal from" and that was a compliment.) It'll be interesting to see how you adapt elements of the series while making it something original. (I once tried my hand at that with a Moulin Rouge fic - starting with changing the names and shifting the setting, going AU from certain events; but I couldn't manage a multichap fic.)

Links! Shiny! I just followed the link to your AO3 page and began reading so FYI - you're going to get a bunch of comments in your email from me. (I have that tendency - read a whole bunch of a particular author's stories in one sitting.)

And I have heard of NaNoWriMo. I've never done it but a friend of mine, Kendra Saunders (who has published several novels and has another one just coming out "Death and Mr Right") has done it.

Date: 2013-10-08 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
I think some art tries to be influenced by others without blatantly stealing from them. On the other hand there is on BtVS writer (I'm spacing the name now) who regularly talks about what they stole from where when creating Buffy episodes.

Mostly it's high-level / world stuff that's similar: a girl with superpowers, a group that provides knowledge back-up. I don't believe Joss ever put the Holy Grail into his stories and it will feature fairly heavily in my first novel. Also no evil-angels in his verse, in fact no angels at all. ;-)

I saw all the AO3 comments. Fun! ;-)

Date: 2013-10-08 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Glad you liked the comments!

I have toyed with the idea of doing meta on the Christian imagery in Prophecy Girl and The Gift re: Buffy and Dawn primarily. Joss may be an "atheist" but he is shaped by the culture he grew up in as we all are, and to speak to a particular audience it's necessary to use the imagery and symbolism we share in common. In the past 30 years though I think it's more openly acknowledged by certain artists as "homages" rather than stealing (as a way to avoid lawsuits?): think of Baz Luhrmann's Moulin Rouge or just about anything by Quentin Tarantino. The difference nowadays is the open acknowledgement of the "theft", and a certain post-modern "ironic" stance.

Date: 2013-10-08 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonyphoenix.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, there's definitely Christian imagery in the Joss!verse and there are certainly powerful artifacts. I just don't believe he's ever specifically used the Grail. Oooh, which means I'm ripping off Monty Python! Excellent. *does happy dance*

What was Luhrmann homaging (is that a verb?) in Moulin Rouge? I love that movie but I don't believe I ever realized it was referencing another movie. Unless you're referring to the music. I thought that was very clever, using a variety of recognizable songs one after the other like that to enhance the chaotic mood of the scene.

And great examples of "borrowing". Mine were Twilight and 50 Shades! I feel as if I'm in much better company now! ;-)

Date: 2013-10-09 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] red-satin-doll.livejournal.com
Oooh, which means I'm ripping off Monty Python! Excellent. *does happy dance*

May I join the dance? :)

What was Luhrmann homaging (is that a verb?) in Moulin Rouge?

Oh goodness do you have an hour or so? These are some things just off the top of my head:
-Christian's storyline borrows heavily from the myth of Orpheus.
-Satine's story in the original draft of the script (very different from the movie) borrowed heavily from Alexendar Dumas' La Dame Aux Camillas, about a dying courtesan; which was later adapted as the opera La Traviata (Luhrmann has directed stage versions of it), as well as the movie Camille with Greta Garbo. (Most of that material was cut; in the original Satine had a son and had a history with Christian's father - no it didn't make sense to me when I read it - but Luhrmann decided to cut most of that out to focus on Christian's story.)
-The red satin dress ("smoldering temptress") is a direct homage to the black sheath gown worn by Rita Hayworth in the movie for the musical number "Put the Blame on Mame" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZn86sSWtEQ
-The Sound of Music in the sequence where Christian first meets the Bohemians and that's the first song that pours out of his mouth
-"Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend" from the stage play "Gentlemen Prefer Blonds" with Carol Channing that was adapted into the 1953 movie and sung by Marilyn Monroe, in the number that was also ripped off for Madonna's "Material Girl" video - so that number self-consciously references both Monroe and Madonna. (Satine was pretty much designed as a stand-in/homage to all of the great movie and pop music divas of the last 60 years.) http://vimeo.com/56710275

I'd have to look it up to add more, I haven't watched it or the featurettes in ages. (I got the box set and it pretty much set the standard for 'deluxe' special features, or at least until LoTR came along.)

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags

Profile

red_satin_doll: (Default)
red_satin_doll

June 2021

S M T W T F S
  12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20 212223242526
27282930   

Most Popular Tags

Style Credit

Page generated Jul. 14th, 2025 09:30 am
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios