"Welcome to the Hellmouth" / "Bring on The Night"

[red_satin_doll]

"You're standing at the mouth of Hell. And it's about to open up." *

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"I'm beyond tired. I'm beyond scared.
I'm standing on the mouth of Hell and it's going to swallow me whole. And it'll choke on me." **

* Joss Whedon
** Marti Noxon & Douglas Petrie

Comments

[comlodge.livejournal.com]

I don't think I saw many early eps at all. I liked Angel, I vaguely remember him losing his soul, I did not remember Spike at all, I did catch an odd episode of Angel the show but no I don't remember Suprise/Innocence. I only 'refound' Buffy through Spike. I'd just finished listening to the Sookie Stackhouse audio books, loved them, had a serious crush on Eric and was looking for videos from the new series True Blood on youtube when I stumbled across a Spike fanvid. The rest as they say, was history.

Re True Blood, I did buy a couple of eps off Itunes but I did not like it - too far from the books and a bit over the top. The guy playing Eric wasn't too bad though.:D I was also dissapointed in the next book in the series that came out back then and have not continued with it. Thought the author had lost the feel of the story and was just after the dollar.

my autopilot "Joyce was important too!" no autopilot here - Joyce was obviously hugely important to the way that Buffy developed. Joyce was a very real charachter, with failings and strength. I think Spike said as much in the show. I loved him and Joyce together. Only natural when he'd had such a great relationship with his own mother. I really liked that Joyce, if not trusted him, liked him and she did treat him like a young man.

My mum had her fair share of problems and things I wish I hadn't learnt from her, lol. But so do I. So do we all. She was never less than supportive for anything I did, even when I learnt to weld and build truck bodies and hung out with the boys. :D

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

I've only watched one ep of True Blood and never read the books, but I can see how one would lead to the other. (that one ep didn't make me want to watch any more of it particularly.)

Joyce was a very real charachter, with failings and strength.

Watching it initially I wanted more of her, wanted her to know that Buffy was a Slayer sooner etc and be part of the story more. Which is valid, esp since Giles is so important to the story; but what is there is oftentimes very rich.

She was never less than supportive for anything I did, even when I learnt to weld and build truck bodies and hung out with the boys. :D

Good for her! I dare say that wasn't entirely usual for a woman of that time (it wouldn't have been in America, I think.)

[comlodge.livejournal.com]

The books are much better than the show. I loved the first 8 or 9. Devoured them. Brought me here so they must have been good. :D

I think I just accepted that as a reference to the fact that so few parents really know what their teenage children are doing. My son goes out with friends, goes to parties and I trust they are good things. But I don;t really know what they get up to. And you read the horror stories all the time. So I had no trouble with this.

I suppose for me she was the grounding in reality. Buffy could go through her front door and live normal for a bit, have a rest. I liked the way they handled the big reveal as well and Joyce's reaction. So correlates to real life.

Er no, not usual. I should have finished my aprenticeship but I didn't. :D

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

I suppose for me she was the grounding in reality. Buffy could go through her front door and live normal for a bit, have a rest. I liked the way they handled the big reveal as well and Joyce's reaction. So correlates to real life.

*nods* I actually thought the metaphor of being "in the closet" was generally well-done (and not specific to sexual orientation) so I wanted more of Joyce in the story but did the reveal and how Joyce handle it seem real? Yes, very much so. And I think those moments are the most upsetting (for most people) watching the show because we want characters we love to be better than that, to be better than what they are.

[comlodge.livejournal.com]

we want characters we love to be better than that, to be better than what they are.

That is so true. We want out tv people to be larger than life and oh so much better than we are. We want to think our mums would be better than that. And of course Joyce is. But we are reminded she is human, they all are and are allowed to show it and grow from it.

I really dilike S5 Spike - for his clumsy courting attempts, his Bufffy shrine. I wanted a smooth operator, after all 100plus years of experience.

Except William died a shy, 28yr old virgin withe one failed attempt at courting. So of course Spike is bumbling and awkward in what is only his second attempt at winning the girl. And he is alone, a lot so plenty of room for an obsession to grow.

[red-satin-doll.livejournal.com]

And of course Joyce is. But we are reminded she is human, they all are and are allowed to show it and grow from it.

Exactly THIS.