I don't think there's any character who is universally loved. No matter who they are, there must be someone out there who hates them.
Very true (and you can tell I was being satirical anyway.Or trying to.)
Although I did always wonder what happened to him after S6,
You mean the time between Villians (or TTG?) and Potential, and once more in EP? You're right, we don't see him again do we? That's an interesting concept.
Basically he's a plot device anyway, showing that 1) Buffy's different worlds fit together very awkwardly if at all, and "normal" for a Slayer looks a lot different than everybody else's, and 2) another shade of grey away from the black/white. humans/demons divide that the WC has drummed into Slayers' heads. (ie, Kendra)
I honestly would have been very happy with more Clem and less - oh, say, Andrew in S7. But he drives me up a wall anyway.
(I always wondered if Spike ever know about it).
That never occurred to me - although I must have read it in a fic somewhere. (Would it have registered even if he did know?) His relationship with Dawn was secondary to his relationship to Buffy anyway IMO contrary to the countless volumes of fics to the contrary.
I love Warren, too, but not in a very loving kind of way.
Huh. Now I'm curious why - but I should probably reread your meta on Warren and Willow shouldn't I?
I remember disliking Warren right off the bat in IWMTLY - not even so much for the creepiness of building a robot girlfriend, but I think a sort of visceral displeasure at having to look at or listen to the character, his face, voice etc. (I was kind of like that with Charisma Carpenter at first, to be honest.) I think it's a reaction to actor+character that's hard to parse out which is which. And if the performance is really good, that's part of the point - the difference between inhabiting a role and wearing it on the surface like a costume. So I think in hindsight I appreciate the character and the actor a lot more than I first did.
TKIM actually had a lot to do with that I think; Adam's performance in it just about broke me when Warren is on his knees crying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry come back!" One of the best performances of pure emotional anguish I've ever seen. The show loves redemption arcs, but what happens when redemption isn't possible, when there's no way to fix the damage you've done?
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Date: 2013-06-27 06:39 pm (UTC)Very true (and you can tell I was being satirical anyway.Or trying to.)
Although I did always wonder what happened to him after S6,
You mean the time between Villians (or TTG?) and Potential, and once more in EP? You're right, we don't see him again do we? That's an interesting concept.
Basically he's a plot device anyway, showing that 1) Buffy's different worlds fit together very awkwardly if at all, and "normal" for a Slayer looks a lot different than everybody else's, and 2) another shade of grey away from the black/white. humans/demons divide that the WC has drummed into Slayers' heads. (ie, Kendra)
I honestly would have been very happy with more Clem and less - oh, say, Andrew in S7. But he drives me up a wall anyway.
(I always wondered if Spike ever know about it).
That never occurred to me - although I must have read it in a fic somewhere. (Would it have registered even if he did know?) His relationship with Dawn was secondary to his relationship to Buffy anyway IMO contrary to the countless volumes of fics to the contrary.
I love Warren, too, but not in a very loving kind of way.
Huh. Now I'm curious why - but I should probably reread your meta on Warren and Willow shouldn't I?
I remember disliking Warren right off the bat in IWMTLY - not even so much for the creepiness of building a robot girlfriend, but I think a sort of visceral displeasure at having to look at or listen to the character, his face, voice etc. (I was kind of like that with Charisma Carpenter at first, to be honest.) I think it's a reaction to actor+character that's hard to parse out which is which. And if the performance is really good, that's part of the point - the difference between inhabiting a role and wearing it on the surface like a costume. So I think in hindsight I appreciate the character and the actor a lot more than I first did.
TKIM actually had a lot to do with that I think; Adam's performance in it just about broke me when Warren is on his knees crying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry come back!" One of the best performances of pure emotional anguish I've ever seen. The show loves redemption arcs, but what happens when redemption isn't possible, when there's no way to fix the damage you've done?