I don't mean just that, but regarding why fans rarely talk about the incidents you mentioned--what happened after the floor gave way in Smashed, the crypt scene. They're not talked about because they weren't in the show? Just guessing. There are dailies of the extended ending of Smashed, btw.
"It's the same damn thing to you vampires" and she's not wrong about that.
Oh, totally. His fantasies, "the slayer likes it rough" and so on. While I think the AR was poorly done, I've always rolled by eyes at the suggestion that it was OOC. The whole season is rife with the guy not taking no for an answer. Like you (and Buffy) said, love and pain and sex and death, it's all the same damned thing.
But we live in a fandom where threats of death are seen as shippery.
but he got it terribly wrong anyway
Yup. Not least of which because the story itself basically says that the "blowback" is justified and natural. It's one thing to portray something, but he reinforces it.
Buffy the show or Buffy the character?
I think Buffy the character. Or maybe they just cut it for time; I don't know, but I just don't think they'd have felt the need for the AR if they'd have left the Smashed scene in. I just wonder if they felt they might be making a misstep to have Buffy have sex with a guy who had such intentions.
"The radical notion that women are people too" - that's the simplest version.
That's how I try to think. Just seems to me that labeling something feminist because it aligns with a specific person's ideal is doing the same thing. Too many people think freedom should be limited to people agreeing with them.
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Re: sorry, I had to edit my reply 'cause I forgot something
Date: 2013-05-10 08:04 pm (UTC)I don't mean just that, but regarding why fans rarely talk about the incidents you mentioned--what happened after the floor gave way in Smashed, the crypt scene. They're not talked about because they weren't in the show? Just guessing. There are dailies of the extended ending of Smashed, btw.
"It's the same damn thing to you vampires" and she's not wrong about that.
Oh, totally. His fantasies, "the slayer likes it rough" and so on. While I think the AR was poorly done, I've always rolled by eyes at the suggestion that it was OOC. The whole season is rife with the guy not taking no for an answer. Like you (and Buffy) said, love and pain and sex and death, it's all the same damned thing.
But we live in a fandom where threats of death are seen as shippery.
but he got it terribly wrong anyway
Yup. Not least of which because the story itself basically says that the "blowback" is justified and natural. It's one thing to portray something, but he reinforces it.
Buffy the show or Buffy the character?
I think Buffy the character. Or maybe they just cut it for time; I don't know, but I just don't think they'd have felt the need for the AR if they'd have left the Smashed scene in. I just wonder if they felt they might be making a misstep to have Buffy have sex with a guy who had such intentions.
"The radical notion that women are people too" - that's the simplest version.
That's how I try to think. Just seems to me that labeling something feminist because it aligns with a specific person's ideal is doing the same thing. Too many people think freedom should be limited to people agreeing with them.