but then I've always been somewhat of a minority in thinking they weren't OOC to side with Giles over Buffy.
apparently we're in the minority together; I can agree that the way it was handled (by the writers) may have been off - but then again, arguments are very ugly things in real life, and they can spin out of control, so they have to be carefully handled on screen. And this one is in some ways a little too real. People do stupid illogical things when they are angry, and this scene is one of those instances of "everyone is a little bit right and everyone is a little bit wrong". It's not simple.
I actually find it interesting on a story level that Giles would chose Faith over Buffy and I have a theory about that - Faith at this point is pliable, her daddy issues are just as big as Buffy's, and she seems eager to please. Meanwhile Giles has retreated back into full-on "Watcher" mode, and he can mentor Faith without the emotional complications. And we've seen for a long time but esp since S4 that Giles needs to be needed, at least as a Watcher; whereas Buffy needs a supportive father figure but she's not a little girl anymore.
I've said to rahirah once that I do have the impression that on some level the writers may have been taking out a little of their dissatisfaction with Sarah in making Buffy such an uber bitch? It's not OOC for her - she has a bitchy side - but again it was just the extreme harshness. But that was my first-time-through reaction, I'm not so sure of that now.
I don't know who did the revision. I'm guessing Joss or Marti. Seems like the last part of the season got a tonal shift.
Definitely. It seems like there had been a lot of potential plans for spin offs, although the one you mention seems to have been the one that most nearly came about; rahirah mentioned that they originally meant to go more with the return to high school theme, that that had been talked about as a spin off, etc. IDK It's definitely a strange, prickly season.
I know you know that in the scene before they kick Buffy out, Dawn gives Buffy a kiss - which strikes me as sort of a "Judas kiss" symbolically; they filmed it that way and left that version in the weekly network promo, but removed it from the show itself. I'm sorry they did because that's an interesting touch.
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Date: 2013-04-18 01:38 am (UTC)apparently we're in the minority together; I can agree that the way it was handled (by the writers) may have been off - but then again, arguments are very ugly things in real life, and they can spin out of control, so they have to be carefully handled on screen. And this one is in some ways a little too real. People do stupid illogical things when they are angry, and this scene is one of those instances of "everyone is a little bit right and everyone is a little bit wrong". It's not simple.
I actually find it interesting on a story level that Giles would chose Faith over Buffy and I have a theory about that - Faith at this point is pliable, her daddy issues are just as big as Buffy's, and she seems eager to please. Meanwhile Giles has retreated back into full-on "Watcher" mode, and he can mentor Faith without the emotional complications. And we've seen for a long time but esp since S4 that Giles needs to be needed, at least as a Watcher; whereas Buffy needs a supportive father figure but she's not a little girl anymore.
I've said to rahirah once that I do have the impression that on some level the writers may have been taking out a little of their dissatisfaction with Sarah in making Buffy such an uber bitch? It's not OOC for her - she has a bitchy side - but again it was just the extreme harshness. But that was my first-time-through reaction, I'm not so sure of that now.
I don't know who did the revision. I'm guessing Joss or Marti. Seems like the last part of the season got a tonal shift.
Definitely. It seems like there had been a lot of potential plans for spin offs, although the one you mention seems to have been the one that most nearly came about; rahirah mentioned that they originally meant to go more with the return to high school theme, that that had been talked about as a spin off, etc. IDK It's definitely a strange, prickly season.
I know you know that in the scene before they kick Buffy out, Dawn gives Buffy a kiss - which strikes me as sort of a "Judas kiss" symbolically; they filmed it that way and left that version in the weekly network promo, but removed it from the show itself. I'm sorry they did because that's an interesting touch.