The other day I actually had to explain to someone that yes, Buffy IS the protagonist. (not a shipper, btw, a SG fan.) So now someone even acknowledging that Buffy is the protagonist even while beating the shit out of her seems like a step up. *lol*
If you watch S6/S7 back to back that stuff comes out of nowhere and comes off as extremely victim-blamey.
When Spike goes on his "I did it for you, the soul, the changes" bit in S7 I roll my eyes a lot. I've been on the receiving end of "I did such and such FOR YOU (without asking you if that's what you wanted first) so why aren't you sufficiently grateful?" too many times, and I dare say I've dished it out more than once. So it's all bs to me, but I do think we're meant to see her as responsible. But she's been responsible for him ever since he came back to SD in S4. the vamp who hangs around town because he's either in love with her/wants to kill her/ironically depends on her for protection/occasional cash/adventure since he's persona non grata in the demon world and can't kill humans.
In other words, he uses her, too, and that's never acknowledged. Ever. And not once in S6 did she lie to him the way Parker lied to her, or the way Riley did in S5. So the whole "you used me" - well, you used her too, dude. And I get tired of soullessness being used as a constant get out of jail free card.
But we could talk about this all day, let's talk about something frivolous....um....ok, I love it when she calls him on the carpet in Get it Done. And when he calls out everybody's shit in Touched. I know, that whole thing is a mess and Willow should have been the one to step up in EP and say, hey, Get the hell out of my library - I mean, everybody back off (I kept waiting for that). But I love it when anyone steps up to the plate and defends Buffy, like when Tara protects her in OAFA. Sue me.
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Date: 2014-06-17 03:08 pm (UTC)If you watch S6/S7 back to back that stuff comes out of nowhere and comes off as extremely victim-blamey.
When Spike goes on his "I did it for you, the soul, the changes" bit in S7 I roll my eyes a lot. I've been on the receiving end of "I did such and such FOR YOU (without asking you if that's what you wanted first) so why aren't you sufficiently grateful?" too many times, and I dare say I've dished it out more than once. So it's all bs to me, but I do think we're meant to see her as responsible. But she's been responsible for him ever since he came back to SD in S4. the vamp who hangs around town because he's either in love with her/wants to kill her/ironically depends on her for protection/occasional cash/adventure since he's persona non grata in the demon world and can't kill humans.
In other words, he uses her, too, and that's never acknowledged. Ever. And not once in S6 did she lie to him the way Parker lied to her, or the way Riley did in S5. So the whole "you used me" - well, you used her too, dude. And I get tired of soullessness being used as a constant get out of jail free card.
But we could talk about this all day, let's talk about something frivolous....um....ok, I love it when she calls him on the carpet in Get it Done. And when he calls out everybody's shit in Touched. I know, that whole thing is a mess and Willow should have been the one to step up in EP and say, hey, Get the hell out of my library - I mean, everybody back off (I kept waiting for that). But I love it when anyone steps up to the plate and defends Buffy, like when Tara protects her in OAFA. Sue me.