Actually I was speaking broadly - or somesuch - I didn't think you thought I disagreed. (Got it? There will be a quiz later....*lol*)
Aha! My brain twisted down the wrong path then. I get it now.
But it's just a variation on biological superiority - that women are kinder, gentler, more nuturing; that they will make politics less cutthroat, etc etc. We know better now - don't we?
Yeah. I have no idea why I was so conflicted about some of the things going on that fandom--I already knew that claiming something was done with feminist intent didn't make it unproblematic, to say the least, and I'd seen a similar thing when I was into reading Buffy/Faith, where often one of the female characters was bashed to prop up the other. But I spent a lot of my time in that section at first and I kept wondering why I wasn't wholly agreeing with how some opinions were held up as feminist and correct.
It makes the fandom experience richer for me.
This! Yes, I like multishipping because it allows me to explore different possibilities and dynamics. I don't think I've had an OTP in a long time, even when there are pairings I love more than others. Thinking about it in terms of who is best/who Buffy loves more can be so reductive--and prescriptive, for that matter, in that it tends to come with scolding Buffy for not making the 'right' choice.
want to be able to celebrate what I love about them then.
This is a fandom dilemma for me. I feel weird talking about or showing any celebration of ships that I love unless they're really tiny, because of all the connotations they have within fandom among people who ship them and people who don't. And I don't want to give more focus to something that already takes up a good deal of online space, and that some people who might look at me are really tired of. I get tired of it and want to look at something different sometimes too! But sometimes I want to squee and say why I like the thing!
which only reinforces the fact that it's a wider cultural phenomenon. Yes, I haven't escaped yet. I've been in fandoms for anime, books movies, and tv shows; the things I see now remind me of what I was seeing 10+ years ago. Except there's more contact between the fans and the people behind the scenes of shows, I guess, and so probably more harassment from the fans about their ships. I found some of that in the last few months.
That's a lovely story about the tigerlilies!
I loved Saint Tail and it's incredibly cute! She recovers things that are stolen, but the police think she's a thief, and there's a boy who makes it his mission to catch her, a nun best friend who helps her on her cases, and a hedgehog sidekick! But it's out of print and the company that brought it to the US closed. I'm lucky enough to have all their releases; I can't find any scanlations that go past chapter 9. The anime can be found streamed online--illegally--but I never watched it, though I heard it was good. I think the snowdrop plot was episode 24 if the anime was faithful, because I remember it had to do with a secret perfume and Wikipedia says there is a perfume case in that episode.
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Date: 2014-03-25 04:05 am (UTC)Actually I was speaking broadly - or somesuch - I didn't think you thought I disagreed. (Got it? There will be a quiz later....*lol*)
Aha! My brain twisted down the wrong path then. I get it now.
But it's just a variation on biological superiority - that women are kinder, gentler, more nuturing; that they will make politics less cutthroat, etc etc.
We know better now - don't we?
Yeah. I have no idea why I was so conflicted about some of the things going on that fandom--I already knew that claiming something was done with feminist intent didn't make it unproblematic, to say the least, and I'd seen a similar thing when I was into reading Buffy/Faith, where often one of the female characters was bashed to prop up the other. But I spent a lot of my time in that section at first and I kept wondering why I wasn't wholly agreeing with how some opinions were held up as feminist and correct.
It makes the fandom experience richer for me.
This! Yes, I like multishipping because it allows me to explore different possibilities and dynamics. I don't think I've had an OTP in a long time, even when there are pairings I love more than others. Thinking about it in terms of who is best/who Buffy loves more can be so reductive--and prescriptive, for that matter, in that it tends to come with scolding Buffy for not making the 'right' choice.
want to be able to celebrate what I love about them then.
This is a fandom dilemma for me. I feel weird talking about or showing any celebration of ships that I love unless they're really tiny, because of all the connotations they have within fandom among people who ship them and people who don't. And I don't want to give more focus to something that already takes up a good deal of online space, and that some people who might look at me are really tired of. I get tired of it and want to look at something different sometimes too! But sometimes I want to squee and say why I like the thing!
which only reinforces the fact that it's a wider cultural phenomenon.
Yes, I haven't escaped yet. I've been in fandoms for anime, books movies, and tv shows; the things I see now remind me of what I was seeing 10+ years ago. Except there's more contact between the fans and the people behind the scenes of shows, I guess, and so probably more harassment from the fans about their ships. I found some of that in the last few months.
That's a lovely story about the tigerlilies!
I loved Saint Tail and it's incredibly cute! She recovers things that are stolen, but the police think she's a thief, and there's a boy who makes it his mission to catch her, a nun best friend who helps her on her cases, and a hedgehog sidekick! But it's out of print and the company that brought it to the US closed. I'm lucky enough to have all their releases; I can't find any scanlations that go past chapter 9. The anime can be found streamed online--illegally--but I never watched it, though I heard it was good. I think the snowdrop plot was episode 24 if the anime was faithful, because I remember it had to do with a secret perfume and Wikipedia says there is a perfume case in that episode.