Actually I was speaking broadly - or somesuch - I didn't think you thought I disagreed. (Got it? There will be a quiz later....*lol*) When I quoted you I was just focused on your comments and not the context of whatever was going on around it, of which I was and am pretty ignorant to be honest, although this discussion (and eilowyn's post repeating her comments at the top, and the discussion following that) have been very interesting and...educational.
There's one in another fandom of mine with the distinction of calling its shipping more feminist and progressive because they ship an f/f pairing between two main female characters, but I've been in it since the beginning and it's actually not any better than the others in practice.
The fallacy that that lesbianism is naturally more "feminist" than heterosexuality makes sense in the context of the 1970's when lesbians were still fighting to be out and accepted in the mainstream feminist organizations, and had to assert legitimacy. But it's just a variation on biological superiority - that women are kinder, gentler, more nuturing; that they will make politics less cutthroat, etc etc. We know better now - don't we?
Woe is the multi-shipper!
I was having a conversation with velvetwhip a while back trying to come up with a name for "what I am now" in terms of fandom shipping, and "multishipper" was probably the best we came up with. Thanks to fandom shipping, I'm no longer monogamous in my shipping practices! And I don't just mean in a negative way - fan writers turned me on to pairings I wouldn't have come up with on my own (Faith/Willow, Willow/Angel, etc) and that's delightful IMO. It makes the fandom experience richer for me.
But the whole who did Buffy love most game? OVER IT.
At this point I almost hesitate to call myself a Spuffy shipper because the label seems to be accompanied by a certain set of assumptions that I don't believe and can't sign up for, that I don't want to be associated with. And yet I do ship them in S7 for my own reasons, and want to be able to celebrate what I love about them then.
Woe is anyone who doesn't put a ship first! (Unless they put a male character first. Then it's okay sometimes.)
This doesn not surprise me. And I know (from looking at your fic list) that you are/have been part of a variety of fandoms; which only reinforces the fact that it's a wider cultural phenomenon.
which is in reference to the tigerlily. It's featured in a story I've forgotten everything about, except there was a girl receiving her grandfather's reassurance that being different didn't make her less beautiful and interesting.
That sounds somewhat familiar - and as it happens, tigerlilies are another of my favorites! They grow wild along the roads in parts of North carolina, and when we were first dating my sweetie would pick bunches of them and bring them home for me.
I'm not at all familiar with manga (am I the last person on earth?) but it sounds interesting - should I check out Saint Tail?
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Date: 2014-03-24 02:22 am (UTC)It is? Now I really don't know what to say!
Oh, I didn't mean to suggest you disagreed.
Actually I was speaking broadly - or somesuch - I didn't think you thought I disagreed. (Got it? There will be a quiz later....*lol*) When I quoted you I was just focused on your comments and not the context of whatever was going on around it, of which I was and am pretty ignorant to be honest, although this discussion (and eilowyn's post repeating her comments at the top, and the discussion following that) have been very interesting and...educational.
There's one in another fandom of mine with the distinction of calling its shipping more feminist and progressive because they ship an f/f pairing between two main female characters, but I've been in it since the beginning and it's actually not any better than the others in practice.
The fallacy that that lesbianism is naturally more "feminist" than heterosexuality makes sense in the context of the 1970's when lesbians were still fighting to be out and accepted in the mainstream feminist organizations, and had to assert legitimacy. But it's just a variation on biological superiority - that women are kinder, gentler, more nuturing; that they will make politics less cutthroat, etc etc.
We know better now - don't we?
Woe is the multi-shipper!
I was having a conversation with
But the whole who did Buffy love most game? OVER IT.
At this point I almost hesitate to call myself a Spuffy shipper because the label seems to be accompanied by a certain set of assumptions that I don't believe and can't sign up for, that I don't want to be associated with. And yet I do ship them in S7 for my own reasons, and want to be able to celebrate what I love about them then.
Woe is anyone who doesn't put a ship first! (Unless they put a male character first. Then it's okay sometimes.)
This doesn not surprise me. And I know (from looking at your fic list) that you are/have been part of a variety of fandoms; which only reinforces the fact that it's a wider cultural phenomenon.
which is in reference to the tigerlily. It's featured in a story I've forgotten everything about, except there was a girl receiving her grandfather's reassurance that being different didn't make her less beautiful and interesting.
That sounds somewhat familiar - and as it happens, tigerlilies are another of my favorites! They grow wild along the roads in parts of North carolina, and when we were first dating my sweetie would pick bunches of them and bring them home for me.
I'm not at all familiar with manga (am I the last person on earth?) but it sounds interesting - should I check out Saint Tail?