I'm not usually this angry. I generally see the wars and the flame throwing and I laugh and stay out of it and engage with happy people and ship my ships and not really care.
But I lost FOUR ladies in three months.
That's unconscionable.
Any dialogue right now that is pro-males in a way that becomes anti-female, I'm not about it. I don't have the patience right now. I'm at my wits' end with loss this year. Too many female characters have died.
It's the overwhelming gender-centric pattern. What makes me so frustrated is when I'm legitimately trying to have a constructive conversation - that places women first - and because of the negativity that these gender-centric patterns upheld in shipper spaces, no conversation can even begin. So I'm sitting there, trying to talk about how awesome a relationship dynamic is and on one hand I have the shippers who yell "YES EVERYTHING IS PERFECT ISN'T IT WONDERFUL" and on the other hand the anti-shippers screaming "YES BUT THIS OTHER THING IS SO MUCH BETTER" and then in the middle those (like yourself) who just sigh and say: "ugh this is ugly I am so put off by fandom I don't want to talk about it" and THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION can't even begin. You can't talk about the problems or the good things or engage a conversation in fandom about very much of anything, without this dynamic lingering overhead. Either with shippers frustrated that you aren't defending every bad thing a male character has ever done - or because those in the middle are tired of the "love" that is splashed all over and they don't want to even think about how it COULD be interesting if looked at more interrogatively.
It's a completely toxic system that profits from stopping conversation and prioritizing DA MALE.
And no. I'm done. I don't want it in my fandom spaces anymore.
I think if fandom had an uprising and there were more female-centric conversations and people started prioritizing females, eventually TPTB would notice.
Women die in rapid rates on Supernatural and fandom cheers. Because how DARE a female come between Wincest or Destiel? SHOCKING AND APPALLING! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! It's not a 1:1 ratio. But shippers need to change their habits first. Because media is a long-term battle and if we change OUR dialogue, eventually the rest of the world will take note.
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Re: (pt 2)
Date: 2014-03-22 05:16 pm (UTC)But I lost FOUR ladies in three months.
That's unconscionable.
Any dialogue right now that is pro-males in a way that becomes anti-female, I'm not about it. I don't have the patience right now. I'm at my wits' end with loss this year. Too many female characters have died.
It's the overwhelming gender-centric pattern.
What makes me so frustrated is when I'm legitimately trying to have a constructive conversation - that places women first - and because of the negativity that these gender-centric patterns upheld in shipper spaces, no conversation can even begin.
So I'm sitting there, trying to talk about how awesome a relationship dynamic is and on one hand I have the shippers who yell "YES EVERYTHING IS PERFECT ISN'T IT WONDERFUL" and on the other hand the anti-shippers screaming "YES BUT THIS OTHER THING IS SO MUCH BETTER" and then in the middle those (like yourself) who just sigh and say: "ugh this is ugly I am so put off by fandom I don't want to talk about it" and THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION can't even begin. You can't talk about the problems or the good things or engage a conversation in fandom about very much of anything, without this dynamic lingering overhead. Either with shippers frustrated that you aren't defending every bad thing a male character has ever done - or because those in the middle are tired of the "love" that is splashed all over and they don't want to even think about how it COULD be interesting if looked at more interrogatively.
It's a completely toxic system that profits from stopping conversation and prioritizing DA MALE.
And no. I'm done. I don't want it in my fandom spaces anymore.
I think if fandom had an uprising and there were more female-centric conversations and people started prioritizing females, eventually TPTB would notice.
Women die in rapid rates on Supernatural and fandom cheers. Because how DARE a female come between Wincest or Destiel? SHOCKING AND APPALLING! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! It's not a 1:1 ratio. But shippers need to change their habits first. Because media is a long-term battle and if we change OUR dialogue, eventually the rest of the world will take note.
(Forever in mourning.)