ETA: Fury 'caused a great stir when he called a Spike fan (whom you know) serial killer lovers. He was forced to apologize for it.
No I really did not know that - I assume you mean back in the day, rather than recently? (Darn you for stoking my curiosity.)
Then, his rage building, he ROARS:
What does he roar? Is there something missing here? (I really do not want to go back and watch that ep.) It's weird, that "why didn't he think of that"? Hasn't that been pretty damn clear from the get-go? Or are we to assume that Spike (or his demon) is either stupid or has some extreme memory problems? Of course, he takes her beating him in DT as a sign of affection (Lovers Walk) "I'll chain her up and torture her until she loves me again." So, IDK.
I was really suprised to go to some *ahem* Spuffy or late-seasons orientated LJ's that claimed a largely feminist framework and people LOVED Crush, which as I say horrified me with it's imagery of Buffy in chains. But then again that image shows up in a LOT of fanfic. Not a majority (I guess?) but I'm surprised at the fics I stumble over where Buffy is captured, tied up, tortured etc - and Spike either watches and/or rescues her. That sort of stuff I found in dimestore novels from the 1960's and 1970's, and in horror movies (the women are raped and tortured, the men either killed quickly and/or forced to watch their girlfriends being raped, etc) and - NO. Buffy is the HERO, damnit.
I was actually sort of shocked at first when I found a fic from stormwreath from a few years back where Buffy is transported to Aliens 2 and fights alongside Ripley and weaves Buffy cleverly into the events of the movie. Then I realized that 1) stormwreath is a man (Stephen T); and that I've never seen a story from any man on my flist (ok, that's a small sample) that reduces Buffy to a victim and object to be raped and tortured. Those stories are all written by women. (Then again isn't 50 Shades of Grey, which I've never read. A friend of mine, a very smart and strong women, was reading a book like that recently, with the theme of tortured women who must escape her prison with the aid of a vampire. *headdesk*)
Made even worse by the moral of the story being that you shouldn't lie and go to parties.
*SMH* If I bang my head against hard objects out of frustration any more I'll have a seizure. So let's not and say we did, 'kay.
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sorry, I had to edit my reply 'cause I forgot something
Date: 2013-05-10 04:11 pm (UTC)No I really did not know that - I assume you mean back in the day, rather than recently? (Darn you for stoking my curiosity.)
Then, his rage building, he ROARS:
What does he roar? Is there something missing here? (I really do not want to go back and watch that ep.) It's weird, that "why didn't he think of that"? Hasn't that been pretty damn clear from the get-go? Or are we to assume that Spike (or his demon) is either stupid or has some extreme memory problems? Of course, he takes her beating him in DT as a sign of affection (Lovers Walk) "I'll chain her up and torture her until she loves me again." So, IDK.
I was really suprised to go to some *ahem* Spuffy or late-seasons orientated LJ's that claimed a largely feminist framework and people LOVED Crush, which as I say horrified me with it's imagery of Buffy in chains. But then again that image shows up in a LOT of fanfic. Not a majority (I guess?) but I'm surprised at the fics I stumble over where Buffy is captured, tied up, tortured etc - and Spike either watches and/or rescues her. That sort of stuff I found in dimestore novels from the 1960's and 1970's, and in horror movies (the women are raped and tortured, the men either killed quickly and/or forced to watch their girlfriends being raped, etc) and - NO. Buffy is the HERO, damnit.
I was actually sort of shocked at first when I found a fic from
Made even worse by the moral of the story being that you shouldn't lie and go to parties.
*SMH* If I bang my head against hard objects out of frustration any more I'll have a seizure. So let's not and say we did, 'kay.