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red_satin_doll) wrote2014-03-20 09:21 pm
red_satin_doll) wrote2014-03-20 09:21 pm
Quick quick now!
1) The deadline is tomorrow, Friday the 20th at midnight for both ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
otherworldlyric challenge #166 , "Easy Way Out" by Gotye, and slayerstillness challenge 20 "Love Song for a Vampire. More entries are needed - and I'm sitting both of these out, so don't look at me. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the pretties this time around.
And just in case you're easily confusable - a.k.a. "moi" - OWL is the multifandom icontest where you have to use at least two consecutive words from the lyrics of the challenge song. SS is strictly Buffyverse (btvs/ats) and icons can have text or not. Also, SS is the one that opens the entry and voting threads after the winners have been announced. Which can be fun...or kinda awkward, depending. I actually kind of like it, but wait until an icon I'm sure is gonna win loses big time. Then we'll see what pennywhistle I'm tooting with.)
2) A little bird in fandom (thank you little bird!) informed me that my blog has been rec'd by "snowdropsandtigers" on tumblr.
"On a relevant—yet off-topic—note, it occurs to me that I want to recommend a blogger to follow, in case that might help and you don’t know of her. She’s on LJ and she’s very much a Buffy fan first and Spuffy shipper second, and gives love to the other characters too: http://red-satin-doll.livejournal.com/ I’m kind of terrible and lurk much more than talk, but I’ve been reading her meta—and the meta she links to—for a while and find it all really lovely."
And I'm just - what do I say except THANK YOU? I don't know who they - who you - are, but I'm really incredibly flattered by your kind words. I would love to thank snowdropsandtigers (what a wonderful, evocative penname!) but I haven't a tumblr account so - THANK YOU SO MUCH, whoever you are.
And also, what they said about shipping is extremely relevant to my own thoughts of late:
"I’ve experienced that. Unfortunately, I’ve also experienced other fandoms being pretty much the same. The ones I’ve gotten into after getting into Buffy in 2005 do the same things frequently (ship wars; whitewashing characters, usually dudes; distorting characterization/valuing characters mainly for ships, especially with female characters; drama between the fans themselves.).....It burns one out."
That's pretty much the nutmeat of a meta I've been wanting to write on the subject so all I can say at the moment is - ME TOO. Or, WORD. (Is that even a "thing" anymore, that use of "word"? I don't know. You tell me.)
otherworldlyric challenge #166 , "Easy Way Out" by Gotye, and slayerstillness challenge 20 "Love Song for a Vampire. More entries are needed - and I'm sitting both of these out, so don't look at me. I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the pretties this time around.And just in case you're easily confusable - a.k.a. "moi" - OWL is the multifandom icontest where you have to use at least two consecutive words from the lyrics of the challenge song. SS is strictly Buffyverse (btvs/ats) and icons can have text or not. Also, SS is the one that opens the entry and voting threads after the winners have been announced. Which can be fun...or kinda awkward, depending. I actually kind of like it, but wait until an icon I'm sure is gonna win loses big time. Then we'll see what pennywhistle I'm tooting with.)
2) A little bird in fandom (thank you little bird!) informed me that my blog has been rec'd by "snowdropsandtigers" on tumblr.
"On a relevant—yet off-topic—note, it occurs to me that I want to recommend a blogger to follow, in case that might help and you don’t know of her. She’s on LJ and she’s very much a Buffy fan first and Spuffy shipper second, and gives love to the other characters too: http://red-satin-doll.livejournal.com/ I’m kind of terrible and lurk much more than talk, but I’ve been reading her meta—and the meta she links to—for a while and find it all really lovely."
And I'm just - what do I say except THANK YOU? I don't know who they - who you - are, but I'm really incredibly flattered by your kind words. I would love to thank snowdropsandtigers (what a wonderful, evocative penname!) but I haven't a tumblr account so - THANK YOU SO MUCH, whoever you are.
And also, what they said about shipping is extremely relevant to my own thoughts of late:
"I’ve experienced that. Unfortunately, I’ve also experienced other fandoms being pretty much the same. The ones I’ve gotten into after getting into Buffy in 2005 do the same things frequently (ship wars; whitewashing characters, usually dudes; distorting characterization/valuing characters mainly for ships, especially with female characters; drama between the fans themselves.).....It burns one out."
That's pretty much the nutmeat of a meta I've been wanting to write on the subject so all I can say at the moment is - ME TOO. Or, WORD. (Is that even a "thing" anymore, that use of "word"? I don't know. You tell me.)
Re: (pt 2)
I made it to somewhere into early S8 on Netflix and had to stop in disgust so I'm torn between wanting to tell you STOP and "keep watching, experience my pain and rage and then talk about it because IT NEEDS TO BE SAID!"
Her Anya-and-Xander comparison is frighteningly accurate. Yuck hardly covers it.
the conversations I've had with you have centered on how frustrated you are with the gendered-centrism of the conversation.
Which was really only a few posts in a single conversation of the many I've had; I don't think it represents everything I have to say on the subject. In any case, what I said then and what you're saying here are exactly the same things. We're just each somewhat more sensitive to certain characters; and I perhaps misread the "temperature" of the room. If you specifically said in your post that you wanted celebration and I completely missed that, then that's on me. Spike/Dawn are one of your loves, so I could have been more discrete. Your passion, your anger is my own, even if we differ on what triggers us.
conversation has a hard time starting.
how do you even start a conversation with people who don't see the problem, and/or don't think it's a problem to begin with? With people who don't want to talk and listen to one another? And we wonder why there's no peace in the Middle East.
But as we are having a discussion about the toxic environment negative shippers bring to the table it would feel neglectful if I didn't mention that this sometimes happens?
Absolutely! I just felt that I was being labeled in a way that misrepresents me, based on a handful of conversations or a couple of comments I made; just as your comments here don't represent the totality of who you are and your opinions.
I wish there was a way that you didn't have to play tiptoe like this.
I certainly understand shipper fatigue, it frustrated me for a while; so my strategy has been primarily been to "ac-cen-tu-ate the positive" as the song goes. Sometimes I still do rant, but I'm not spending all my time swimming upstream in a current that's only going to drown me. I'm digging out my own beautiful river.
if I ever made you feel as though you need to tiptoe around me, I'm sorry.
I know it wasn't ever intentional. But I DO appreciate you saying that, very much, it means a lot to me. *hugs*
because I want you there with me. Does that make sense?
Completely.
I'm so sorry that there are places of fandom that leave anyone feeling like the conversation isn't one that they can participate in because of negativity.
And I'm happy that conversations like this are happening as well. I'm happy that chasingdemons made a manip of the ladies of the verse inspired by my enthusiasm and energy as a newish fan. I'm oh so happy that you focus on Dawn the way you do and people are realizing how aweseome she is. I'm thrilled that the internet exists and all these conversations aren't happening in isolation, just a few people at a time, because the internet wasn't around and now we can talk to one another no matter where we are and that's AWESOME.