My shipper heart wants to jump up and down and yell at everyone that SPIKE HAS CONFIDENCE IN HER, DAMMIT! and SHE THEREFORE SHOULD BE WITH HIM! and then my feminist heart says SHE DOESN'T NEED AFFIRMATION FROM A MAN ANYONE!
I thought I was the only one who felt 'shipped those two in S7 who also felt that way! I get that the overall theme of the series has been reversing Buffy's isolation as The Chosen One (re: beer_good_foamy's brilliant meta "Buffy the Vampire Slayer vs Buffy, The Vampire Slayer"); and I get that it's part of Spike becoming a better man and returning the care she's given him all season, part of the process of repairing the damage between from the S6; and at that moment Spike is the one person who represents "mater" or the Mother Principal; he's been the male character most deeply connected to women and mothers, including Joyce, so it makes sense that he represents that when Buffy has been kicked out of her own house. And it takes place in the very room where Buffy defended Joyce in Angel and Ted, and was kicked out of the house in Becoming. So, loads of history in that kitchen.
But the "Me" moment in Becoming is SO POWERFUL; and as much as my shippy heart adored it I felt the same reservations that you did about it. But then again I have more issues with whose stories get prioritized S5-7 than i could begin to cover here.
shipperx's posts are some of my FAVORITE observations about the comics in fandom. btw. Spot-on every time, esp the mind-blowing WTF-ery re: Angel. I think I was just rereading the very post you're referring to. How he can still be a "hero" in the comics and the lead of his own title is beyond comprehension.
Re: Origins I had read some of the meta conversation when I first came into fandom, long before I was able to watch the vid, and the statement someone made that Spike was symbolically wearing Nikki's SKIN blew my mind. I've never been able to look at the duster the same way since I read that. But again we're back to the prioritization of Spike's story over that of his victims....Christ, Joss makes it so hard for us sometimes.
I get so excited linking stuff to you! It makes me feel old and wise in fandom, when in reality I'm Iron Age to many people's fandom dinosaurs!
*hugs* I'm glad, because I LOVE getting and sharing links. There is SO much to read in this fandom, I'll never run out of material. EVER. And I've only been in this fandom a year and a half , ergo newbie, and I get giddy when someone says they've never heard of, for instance, the_royal_anna; I'm like, how the hell can this even be?
Of course I've also got ulterior motives; whenever I'm not sure how to express myself when countering an argument or putting forth a POV I can just say "read this".
That just means you can call yourself an Independent Scholar!
*blushes* Thank you! I like this very much and shall adopt this! I can say honestly that I have gotten more intellectual stimulation since I watched Buffy and joined this fandom than I had for the prior ten years! Of course there are other things that theoretically should have accompanied a master's such as status and income but in reality I know that's a friggin' fantasy or PR pitch. I remember doing a menial job in NC grading test papers - everyone had to have at least a bachelor's to get hired, and one of my coworkers had two masters' degrees.
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I thought I was the only one who felt 'shipped those two in S7 who also felt that way! I get that the overall theme of the series has been reversing Buffy's isolation as The Chosen One (re:
But the "Me" moment in Becoming is SO POWERFUL; and as much as my shippy heart adored it I felt the same reservations that you did about it. But then again I have more issues with whose stories get prioritized S5-7 than i could begin to cover here.
Re: Origins I had read some of the meta conversation when I first came into fandom, long before I was able to watch the vid, and the statement someone made that Spike was symbolically wearing Nikki's SKIN blew my mind. I've never been able to look at the duster the same way since I read that. But again we're back to the prioritization of Spike's story over that of his victims....Christ, Joss makes it so hard for us sometimes.
I get so excited linking stuff to you! It makes me feel old and wise in fandom, when in reality I'm Iron Age to many people's fandom dinosaurs!
*hugs* I'm glad, because I LOVE getting and sharing links. There is SO much to read in this fandom, I'll never run out of material. EVER. And I've only been in this fandom a year and a half , ergo newbie, and I get giddy when someone says they've never heard of, for instance,
Of course I've also got ulterior motives; whenever I'm not sure how to express myself when countering an argument or putting forth a POV I can just say "read this".
That just means you can call yourself an Independent Scholar!
*blushes* Thank you! I like this very much and shall adopt this! I can say honestly that I have gotten more intellectual stimulation since I watched Buffy and joined this fandom than I had for the prior ten years! Of course there are other things that theoretically should have accompanied a master's such as status and income but in reality I know that's a friggin' fantasy or PR pitch. I remember doing a menial job in NC grading test papers - everyone had to have at least a bachelor's to get hired, and one of my coworkers had two masters' degrees.