But if we just found the one fictional character that everyone loved, it would solve all our problems.
Exactly! ;) But then again people have thought that if everyone believed in the "one true God" it would solve everything and look where that's gotten us.
I may also have forgotten his two appearances in S7.
That's easy to do, they're so brief - but in both instances he's interacting with Buffy, not Spike; so his purpose has shifted from that of Spike's confidant, to the symbol of Buffy's changed attitude/relationship with demons.
In some ways, I think Spike's interactions with the demon world in S6 are a stronger argument for his goodness than his interactions with the human world (i.e. the Scoobies).
Oh that's a interpretation I haven't heard before! Interesting. (it's certainly true that he can hurt other demons if he choses to but doesn't have the same choice with humans except Buffy until S7. Huh.) I'd be interested if you ever developed that further in a meta-post. *bats eyelashes*
but, like Harmony, he is annoying,
To be fair, I can actually deal with him better in S6 as part of the Trio; I guess because his role is smaller and he has the other two to play off of? Also, he's still a comic figure but also a very dark one - he thinks it's cool that they got away with murder in S6, unlike Jonathan. And Tom Lenk's final scene in Storyteller, before he turns off the camera? Fantastic. OTOH, having that entire episode built around him when the rest of the main cast goes wanting feels like a fanboy choice on the part of the writers. (That's the only way I can interpret the fact that he's continued to have a significant supporting role in the comics - and gets away with some very skeevy stuff. "We like this character! You should too!")
I actually enjoy Harmony a hell of a lot more. rahirah said that she has a "sad affection" for her, and I guess I do too? She actually endures a lot of shit when you look at it, and she's so funny, when she could have remained the one-dimensional bitch from the early seasons.
The way he is simultaneous one of the most human villains (even more human than the Mayor and Faith, because for me, he feels like someone you would actually know) and one of the most irredeemable.
ever_neutral made the same point in her S7 meta, and I think that's the point where I started to take another look at the character.
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Exactly! ;) But then again people have thought that if everyone believed in the "one true God" it would solve everything and look where that's gotten us.
I may also have forgotten his two appearances in S7.
That's easy to do, they're so brief - but in both instances he's interacting with Buffy, not Spike; so his purpose has shifted from that of Spike's confidant, to the symbol of Buffy's changed attitude/relationship with demons.
In some ways, I think Spike's interactions with the demon world in S6 are a stronger argument for his goodness than his interactions with the human world (i.e. the Scoobies).
Oh that's a interpretation I haven't heard before! Interesting. (it's certainly true that he can hurt other demons if he choses to but doesn't have the same choice with humans except Buffy until S7. Huh.) I'd be interested if you ever developed that further in a meta-post. *bats eyelashes*
but, like Harmony, he is annoying,
To be fair, I can actually deal with him better in S6 as part of the Trio; I guess because his role is smaller and he has the other two to play off of? Also, he's still a comic figure but also a very dark one - he thinks it's cool that they got away with murder in S6, unlike Jonathan. And Tom Lenk's final scene in Storyteller, before he turns off the camera? Fantastic. OTOH, having that entire episode built around him when the rest of the main cast goes wanting feels like a fanboy choice on the part of the writers. (That's the only way I can interpret the fact that he's continued to have a significant supporting role in the comics - and gets away with some very skeevy stuff. "We like this character! You should too!")
I actually enjoy Harmony a hell of a lot more.
The way he is simultaneous one of the most human villains (even more human than the Mayor and Faith, because for me, he feels like someone you would actually know) and one of the most irredeemable.