Thanks hon! this feels like it's a "live with it" sort of thing rather than a "going away anytime soon" deal, but hugs always help.
Awww bb. :< The best for you in any case!
Like I said earlier today, she was under a THRALL. So was Buffy when the Master killed her, and when Dracula bit her.
Exactly! And tbh I'm not even quite comfortable with this whole notion that being unable to resist a thrall apparently implies weakness or w/e. Really, when WILL we be "strong enough"? On the one hand, I always cheer when a lady character stands up against adversity, but OTOH I'm tired of this notion that it's always the ones who are being put in a victim's position that have to fight an endless torrent of abuse.
And supposedly she's roofied in the spacefrak in the comics - but, still somehow entirely responsible for her actions?
YEAH tbh, I was never even clear on that just by reading the comics. It's been a while, so I might misremember, but it seems to me the comics themselves weren't clear on the issue either? Make up your mind: if she was freaking cosmically roofied, do not blame her for actions she did not choose to take.
BTW - am I the only person who was uncomfortable with the imagery of "black girl descends from white girl', because I tend to read Kendra & Faith as symbolic childe/grandchilde to Buffy as well as "sister slayers". B/c we know that in fact all humans descend from an African female ancestor. Or am I reading too much into their attempt to add diversity and show that Slayers are not just suburban white girls?
That is something I hadn't thought about yet, tbh. I guess because it seems to me Sineya and the Shadow Men being black was a recognition of humankind originating in Africa? In an incredibly fail way, mind. Also Buffy herself descends from Nikki as well, so there is that. You are right, though, that especially if just look at the first three seasons, Buffy seems to us like "the original" simply because she is the first Slayer we know, and the ones who come after her are "derivates" of sorts. So I don't think your feeling uncomfortable with a black girl being a derivate of a white girl is unfounded.
ARRGGGHHHH! THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT! We're all bi-emotional in some way. Can we DROP the fucking labels already?
Yeah, it kind of bewilders me that it's always shown as "I've put this label on myself and anything that contradicts that label cannot be" because -- they're one's own feelings, right? I guess I do get it in the sense that people are afraid they might be mistaken for being something they are not, or of having the way they define themselves challenged. There's also internalized homophobia, which I think Buffy does have, though she is certainly not openly homophobic and I think she does, half-consciously, try to combat these things? (See: New Moon Rising, where you see she is completely going "okay this is kinda weirding me out but it should not weird me out because my BFF being gay shouldn't be an issue".)
Oh and the comics? that's just to please the fanboys who think pretty chicks who have sex together is hot as long as at least one of them isn't a "real lesbian."
Ugh that is so fucking sad. And it seems it was also likely there for a publicity stunt.
And that sucks because Satsu is an interesting character.
She is! I would've liked to know more about her. Also their romance was totally cute. As was SMG's reaction to it.
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Awww bb. :< The best for you in any case!
Like I said earlier today, she was under a THRALL. So was Buffy when the Master killed her, and when Dracula bit her.
Exactly! And tbh I'm not even quite comfortable with this whole notion that being unable to resist a thrall apparently implies weakness or w/e. Really, when WILL we be "strong enough"? On the one hand, I always cheer when a lady character stands up against adversity, but OTOH I'm tired of this notion that it's always the ones who are being put in a victim's position that have to fight an endless torrent of abuse.
And supposedly she's roofied in the spacefrak in the comics - but, still somehow entirely responsible for her actions?
YEAH tbh, I was never even clear on that just by reading the comics. It's been a while, so I might misremember, but it seems to me the comics themselves weren't clear on the issue either? Make up your mind: if she was freaking cosmically roofied, do not blame her for actions she did not choose to take.
BTW - am I the only person who was uncomfortable with the imagery of "black girl descends from white girl', because I tend to read Kendra & Faith as symbolic childe/grandchilde to Buffy as well as "sister slayers". B/c we know that in fact all humans descend from an African female ancestor. Or am I reading too much into their attempt to add diversity and show that Slayers are not just suburban white girls?
That is something I hadn't thought about yet, tbh. I guess because it seems to me Sineya and the Shadow Men being black was a recognition of humankind originating in Africa? In an incredibly fail way, mind. Also Buffy herself descends from Nikki as well, so there is that. You are right, though, that especially if just look at the first three seasons, Buffy seems to us like "the original" simply because she is the first Slayer we know, and the ones who come after her are "derivates" of sorts. So I don't think your feeling uncomfortable with a black girl being a derivate of a white girl is unfounded.
ARRGGGHHHH! THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING POINT! We're all bi-emotional in some way. Can we DROP the fucking labels already?
Yeah, it kind of bewilders me that it's always shown as "I've put this label on myself and anything that contradicts that label cannot be" because -- they're one's own feelings, right? I guess I do get it in the sense that people are afraid they might be mistaken for being something they are not, or of having the way they define themselves challenged. There's also internalized homophobia, which I think Buffy does have, though she is certainly not openly homophobic and I think she does, half-consciously, try to combat these things? (See: New Moon Rising, where you see she is completely going "okay this is kinda weirding me out but it should not weird me out because my BFF being gay shouldn't be an issue".)
Oh and the comics? that's just to please the fanboys who think pretty chicks who have sex together is hot as long as at least one of them isn't a "real lesbian."
Ugh that is so fucking sad. And it seems it was also likely there for a publicity stunt.
And that sucks because Satsu is an interesting character.
She is! I would've liked to know more about her. Also their romance was totally cute. As was SMG's reaction to it.